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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Aug 19, 2014 9:39:14 GMT
But wait there's more!
Triple combo kit for Manfred, Neferata and Arkhan! I wasn't planning on getting an Undead army, but these kits are so awesome I might have too!
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Post by Geifer on Aug 19, 2014 11:23:38 GMT
Nice stuff. I really like Nagash and the Spirit Hosts, and will definitely add those to my collection. I don't expect to play Nagash, but if there every was a model I would get just to put on display, this is it. Stick version, though. I still identify him as a Nehekharan priest, so to me he should carry the bone staff. It's cool to have the sword in its scabbard, though.
I think I may buy the characters, too. Put Mannfred on the skull steed, keep Arkhan to be used on foot or an eligible mount from the Tomb Kings army book, and do... something with Neferata. That pose if difficult to incorporate anywhere, much like the vampiresses from the Coven Throne. I do feel a bit dubious about the steed itself. Ignoring for the moment that I don't like the bat head Mannfred gets, that thing is held aloft by its tail alone? Is that safe for transport and use? I don't grab my Warsphynx by the tail very often, and if I do, it's near the body, not the tip. Plastic doesn't weigh a lot, but I can't say I have confidence in this sort of construction. Nagash, on the other hand, seems very solid with several swirly bit holding him aloft.
Same for the Morghast thingies. Thin ethereal vapors connecting to thin skeletal wings?
I treat my models with a good measure of care, but I don't think I would want to transport any of this save for the Spirit Hosts.
Currently I am most interested in what rules will be found in the book. Apparently every sorcerer in the game gets access to the Lore of Undeath. Makes me wonder if that is the extent to which non-Undead armies may include dead people, or if there is more along the lines of allies.
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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Aug 19, 2014 12:07:12 GMT
I agree with the transport issues with these, even the best packing in the world may very well end up with casualties. As for the vapour thinness they certainly look fine in those photos, only time will tell I guess. However, the design team has been getting a lot better lately so that should've been thought of.
I wasn't expecting to want them or an undead army at all. But now... I'm eyeing up Nagash (obviously), as mainly a display but also for some "fun games" and then Neferata heading up a Lahmian styled army with a Coven Throne and lots of different types of skeles!
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Post by Geifer on Aug 19, 2014 12:15:38 GMT
Don't feel bad about it. At some point everyone feel's death's loving embrace and joins our ranks. I really want allies rules that work. I've traditionally favored Lahmian vampires because, let's face it, the other ones just aren't for me. Strigoi are too feral, Blood Dragons too much in the knightly honor direction, Necrarch too sorcerous, and von Carsteins too emo. But to me a Lahmian vampire looks so much better in an Empire army, for instance, than in an Undead army. It's a shame there are currently no rules to represent this.
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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Aug 19, 2014 13:29:00 GMT
Well one of the guys here is using Bretonnian Knights to represent a lot of his models with an undead theme. Basically, fluffwise, his Vampire is a Bretonnian Lord with his own horde, it also means he can use them as Bretonnians too if the urge takes him (and they redo that book). You could do something similar with the Empire?
The biggest issue I've got now with these new pics is that the next army I was going to do was Wood Elves... I'm also really enjoying the Lizardmen, but there's just something about these that's just grabbed me! sigh... the missus is going to kill me >_<
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Post by Geifer on Aug 19, 2014 14:46:28 GMT
It's easier with Bretonnia than Empire. A knight is fully enclosed, and a vampire knight isn't going to look very tattered. Empire State Troops should look rather different depending on whether they are alive or zombified, though.
My main issue is that the stats for an Empire General, a cheap horde army leader, and a Vampire Lord, one of the most deadly combat characters and spellcasters in the game, are significantly and noticeably different. Not to mention the obvious presence or absence of the undead rule. I don't particularly like characters changing their abilities from game to game. Rolling for spells/psyker powers and warlord traits is about as far as I'm willing to take that. It's one reason why the current Daemons have no appeal to me, the same character is different every game.
I would settle for Vampire Counts as an army if they had missile troops. I don't need anything near overpowered, I don't even need handguns. Just the ability for a skeleton or zombie to hold and shoot a blasted bow or crossbow. How hard can it be? It's why I look forward so much to this Undead Legions army list. If it indeed combines dusty and juicy undead with the new models we've seen, that may be the army for me. That's my hope, at least.
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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Aug 19, 2014 15:57:16 GMT
I know it's very different fluff and visual wise but Tomb Kings are a very shooty undead army. So much so that you can have plenty hordes of skeleton archers, ushabti with bows and mounted archers to "block out the sun"!
I've gotten used to no missile weaponry with Lizardmen, just as long as I can effect a decent offensive magic stance. Which I can with a Slann. That being said, one prime reason for my wanting Wood Elves is the exact opposite, lots of good archers to pepper foes with decent core regiments to finish them off.
The undead seem to be enticing me with the shambling horde though. I haven't properly done a horde army ever, the last attempt was Tyranids. But I had an overly complicated, time consuming paint scheme for them. I'm hoping that I can do one for skeletons that will be a hell of a lot quicker. That or have plenty of "regiment filler" bases to bulk them out.
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Post by Geifer on Aug 20, 2014 8:54:23 GMT
I know it's very different fluff and visual wise but Tomb Kings are a very shooty undead army. So much so that you can have plenty hordes of skeleton archers, ushabti with bows and mounted archers to "block out the sun"! Been there. done that. My first Fantasy army. I loved my Tomb Kings, until Cruddace ruined them. I've gotten used to no missile weaponry with Lizardmen, just as long as I can effect a decent offensive magic stance. Which I can with a Slann. That being said, one prime reason for my wanting Wood Elves is the exact opposite, lots of good archers to pepper foes with decent core regiments to finish them off. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I need shooting to win or because I can't play without it, it's more that I don't want to play without it. I enjoy well balanced armies that can do something in every phase of the game. Also visually, combined arms appeals to me because of the way ranged weapons and close combat weapons dictate different poses of their bearers, adding diversity which is direly needed in a rank and file game like Fantasy. I've done pretty much what you are planning. After Tomb Kings I went with the choice that appealed most to me, model-wise, Warriors of Chaos. If I hadn't started Fantasy with Tomb Kings, I'd have gone for them. I always brought a Hellcannon because it is the only shooting I can get, and, well, with regard to the criteria mentioned above, I might as well have a full close combat army, really. So I expanded to Dark Elves with an emphasis on missile troops to make up for it, and being rather small, like 600pts at the moment or so, I've not had a chance to include close combat troops. And you know what? I feel they have the same problem, too much of one thing, too little of another. They're all great in the magic department, but that's only a quarter of the phases covered. It's why I could never get into Dwarves either. No magic, no movement, and so many shooting options many people wouldn't even bother with close combat troops. The undead seem to be enticing me with the shambling horde though. I haven't properly done a horde army ever, the last attempt was Tyranids. But I had an overly complicated, time consuming paint scheme for them. I'm hoping that I can do one for skeletons that will be a hell of a lot quicker. That or have plenty of "regiment filler" bases to bulk them out. Skeletons are easy, if you will it so. I can imagine getting solid looking skeletons by painting the bone beige and the metal silver, then wash it brown once. After that it's only some pieces of cloth. The ease of painting Undead is what led to me having a painted army for a change. I love Zombies for how easy it is to get them almost done and touch up any parts you messed with blood effect to finish them off. The only thing I have failed to do to my liking so far is spirits. Technically it should be quite simple. Paint them white, wash them a spooky color you like, and probably touch them up with white again, somehow. I never had good models for this, though. I've got to try that once I get my hands on some spirit host. I found that "plenty" of regiment filler doesn't do it for me. There's only so much I can take before the regiment looks more filler than regiment. I guess it depends on how ell you do it. Suffice it to say, well I did not.
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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Aug 20, 2014 9:20:31 GMT
All very good points! Love the look of your Tomb Kings army as well.
As Fantasy the game goes, I'm still a relative newbie as this is the first time I've had a gaming group that are all doing it. When I was younger it was always 40k!
That's sort of what I was planning for the skeletons. But I know I'll make it more complicated than it needs to be. However after painting my Lizardmen regiments in blocks of 20, getting a load of skeletons done doesn't seem an impossible task! That being said they need to change the regiment box though as currently 10 for £15 is insulting! Especially when the Tomb Kings are in boxes of 16 for £20 (not much better, but still).
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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Aug 22, 2014 19:19:39 GMT
He's only small:
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Post by Geifer on Aug 24, 2014 9:39:46 GMT
I approve of new Death Pope.
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Post by Lord Draconiroth on Sept 4, 2014 10:15:04 GMT
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Post by Geifer on Sept 5, 2014 18:19:36 GMT
My vote is "no", but since I know nothing it's about the same chance as "yes" *, so it doesn't make a difference. Whatever is released on the 20th, I'd rather it was something I don't need. I've spent enough money to keep me busy for a while. I don't think I'd even buy a new edition of Fantasy right away and rely on others to tide me over while I wait for the starter box. I've never been into Fantasy enough to bother with a hardback rulebook and always chose the starter box. * Odds of 50% go against me 97% of the time, regardless of the half I choose.
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Post by Farseer Kyladras on Sept 5, 2014 21:01:38 GMT
Just imagine if GW put the skills and tech behind that Nagash model into making a new plastic avatart of Khaine for the Eldar...
FK
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Post by badfang on Sept 6, 2014 0:00:04 GMT
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